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May I suggest you navigate the pages via the site index on page
01.
PRIOR PAGE / NEXT PAGE
To search for specific text on this page, just press 'CTRL +
F' & then enter your search term.
Other pages about the
Grosser Kurfürst are numbered 70, 71 & 73. Hopefully this page will expand as new
data becomes available.
This page is, as is true with other pages, in progress! It
will mainly offer the data I presently have available as to the passengers and crew of the Volturno
rescued by the Grosser Kurfürst. But there are giant gaps in the data! If you can help
me fill in any of those gaps, I would surely welcome the help.
If any of the links do not work,
or work incorrectly, please let me know. Test
VOLTURNO SURVIVORS RESCUED BY GROSSER KURFÜRST
In the table that follows, I list in
the first column the names that were reported as being saved by the
Grosser Kurfürst in the New York Times of Oct. 14, 1913. But I
have listed those names in a way that hopefully a visitor may today track.
The
names are listed not in the
sequence in the New York Times, but rather in the sequence that those persons were manifested on Ellis Island,
at the indicated manifest pages.
The names at times defy reason, but I think the overall result makes some sense.
There were 82 persons listed. But 83 manifested, it would seem.
There is a separate table lower on the page of the names I
just could not get to match.
| Name in New York Times
list |
Age |
Line # |
The manifested name as I read it |
|
| MANIFEST PAGES
440
&
439
|
|
|
|
|
| Mogrescik, Adolf |
45 |
1 |
Moyzescik, Adolf |
|
| Kipper, Johann |
22 |
2 |
Kipper, Johan |
|
| Jabloniki, John |
40 |
3 |
Jablonecki, John |
|
| Kowoll, Otto |
24 |
4 |
Kowoll, Otto |
|
| Milstein, David |
28 |
5 |
Miiklstein, David |
|
| Gatz, Itzig |
35 |
6 |
Latz, Itzig |
|
| Karpaiski, David |
27 |
7 |
Karpofsky, David |
|
| Kahan, Ruwen |
18 |
9 |
Kahan, Ruben |
|
| Pressman, Salman |
18 |
10 |
Pressman, Salman |
|
| Wechsler, Saloman |
46 |
11 |
Wechsler, Shlomo,
(presumably the Solomon Wechler whose affidavit was referred to in the B. of T.
Inquiry) |
|
| Steranko,
Ferkus |
17 |
12 |
Steranka,
Ferko |
|
| Xorugat, Josif |
26 |
13 |
Horryak,
Josef |
|
| Gzjurim, Gaja |
18 |
14 |
Gaja, Gyuric |
|
| Karlowic, Josip |
23 |
15 |
Karlovic, Josif |
|
| Zibok, Josip |
26 |
16 |
Cibak, Josif |
|
| Bossawic, Gura |
33 |
17 |
Posavec, Gyuro |
|
| Macon, Mile |
18 |
18 |
Mocan,
Mile |
|
| Karatevic, Steve |
24 |
19 |
Kaancevic, Stevo |
|
| Buskaric, Olijans |
25 |
20 |
Puskaric, Flia |
|
| Dschilikaj, George |
22 |
21 |
Dschilichaj, George |
|
| Micevio, Marko |
20 |
22 |
Mi?evic, Marko |
|
| ? |
22 |
23 |
Jerasinovic, Jovan |
|
| ? |
17 |
24 |
Jerasinci, Nasr |
|
| Fastner,
Sebasden |
39 |
25 |
Fastner,
Sebastian |
|
| Miljewic, Simon |
26 |
26 |
Milojevic, Sruso |
|
| Meistorowic,
Stojah |
22 |
27 |
Majtarovic,
Stojan |
|
| Gorao, Adam |
18 |
28 |
Korac, Adam |
|
| Vuletio, Pane |
34 |
29 |
Pane,
Vuletic |
|
| Scheatovic, Gjuro |
26 |
30 |
Shejatovic, Gyuro |
|
| MANIFEST PAGES
444
& 443 |
|
|
|
|
|
Bogovic, Urkol |
27 |
1 |
Bogovic, Jarko |
|
| Schwenk, Heinrich |
25 |
2 |
Schwenk, Heinrich |
|
| Karwiluk, Simeon |
33 |
3 |
Hawriluk, Simeon |
|
| ? |
20 |
4 |
Juric, Rade |
|
| Jabowski, Josef |
38 |
5 |
Zagorski, Joseph |
|
| Kovatis, Nikolo |
25 |
6 |
Kovacic, Nikola |
|
| Atanasow, Petir |
18 |
7 |
Atanassof, Peter |
|
| Reputsky,
Konstandon |
17 |
8 |
Bohutzky,
Konstantin |
|
| ? |
19 |
9 |
Berekzewski,
Stefan |
|
| Malkevic, Mino |
23 |
10 |
Malkewitz, Mina |
|
| Losane, Michal |
40 |
11 |
Lozanj, Michael |
|
| Jurka, Jan |
36 |
12 |
Surga, Jan |
|
| ? |
17 |
13 |
Lalka, Mativey |
|
| Marquo, Edmund |
22 |
14 |
Mared, Edmond |
|
| ? |
37 |
15 |
Stefcic, Joso |
|
| ? |
20 |
16 |
Mikulic, Ivan |
|
| ? |
20 |
17 |
Leic, Ivan |
|
| Ventille, Demetri |
44 |
18 |
Ventila, Demistri |
|
| Petrovic, Michal |
41 |
19 |
Petrovich, Michal |
|
| MANIFEST PAGES
448 &
447 |
|
|
|
|
| Posautz, Walentin
|
49 |
1 |
Bosantz,
Valentine |
|
| Selamic, Jwan |
29 |
2 |
Selanec, Jwan |
|
| Traikobic, Todor |
29 |
3 |
Traicowitz, Todov |
|
| ? |
24 |
4 |
Petcovitch,
Nedelco |
|
| Triciz, Mio |
28 |
5 |
Fizic, Mijo |
|
| Urost, Mirko |
25 |
6 |
Horvat, Mirbo? |
|
| Kavour, Rimon |
24 |
7 |
Kavor, Simon |
|
| Korabe, Jwan |
30 |
8 |
Kurabav, Jwan |
|
| Matwej, Laiko |
33 |
9 |
Madyar, Stanko |
|
| ? |
20 |
10 |
Viyanovic, Dragic |
|
| ? |
30 |
11 |
Eviar, Milos |
|
| Silazki, Josef |
39 |
12 |
Selacki,
Joseph |
|
| Stiminow, Alexo |
25 |
13 |
Stojmenoff,
Alexis |
|
| ? |
21 |
14 |
Stokys, Adam |
|
| Cimesa, Milovan |
16 |
15 |
Cimesa, Jovan |
|
| Rabec, Sime |
18 |
16 |
Ribic, Simo |
|
| Cimesa, Mile |
25 |
17 |
Cimesa, Mile |
|
| Zec, Mattia |
24 |
18 |
Zec, Matea |
|
| Vovcapio, Lazo |
18 |
19 |
Voikapic, Lazo |
|
| Vovcapic, Mile |
25 |
20 |
Voikapic, Mile |
|
| Zailac, Bozo |
18 |
21 |
Zaivaz, Bozo |
|
| Militscheviej,
Spurd |
28 |
22 |
Milicevic, Nicola |
|
| MANIFEST PAGE
436 |
|
|
|
|
| Rubin, Reimer |
20 |
1 |
Rimer, Rubin |
|
| MANIFEST PAGES
432 &
431 |
|
|
|
|
| Ginbalinski,
Jeremin |
31 |
1 |
Civibaliski,
Jeremin |
|
| Rabinowio,
Pinclus |
20 |
2 |
Rabinovich,
Pinches |
|
| Raschitzkl, Josef |
43 |
3 |
Rzecicky, Josef |
|
| ? |
33 |
4 |
Szyslo, Ignati |
|
| Zagroboski, Josef |
24 |
5 |
Gziborvski, Josef |
|
| Kowarkoltis,
Kasimur |
17 |
6 |
Kowarkowicz, Kazisan |
|
| Wagadanovic,
Dragoma |
26 |
7 |
Bogdanowitz, Dragonic |
|
| Geusco, Adam |
29 |
8 |
Getz, Adam |
|
| ? |
17 |
9 |
Vangueu, Vasil |
|
| Zelankevic,
Wladislaw |
23 |
10 |
Celenkewitz,
Wladislaw |
|
| Burtbala,
Wladimir |
18 |
11 |
Burbela, Wladimic |
|
| Dragizevic, Jwan |
18 |
12 |
Dragecevic,
Jaadro |
|
SURVIVOR NAMES THAT DID NOT 'MATCH'
The list that follows is
in the right
three columns the names & other data that were manifested
as above, for those names for whom I could not find a matching name in the New York Times list. The left list is the 'unmatched' names from the New
York Times list in the sequence in which the names appeared. So the name at left
does not & is not intended to relate to the name at the right. OK? I hope, but must check to see,
that there
may be another list published later
perhaps in that newspaper that would assist me.
It must have been stressful, at the time, for families who had relatives on the
Volturno, to check the published list to see if a particular
family member was saved. Due to a whole host of problems, I am sure, the names were
surely of limited help for many. A name incorrectly written would have made one think
that one's family member did not survive, but maybe they did but the name was
recorded incorrectly.
| NAMES THAT SEEM NOT TO MATCH
|
|
|
|
|
| Name in New York Times
list |
Age |
Line # |
The manifested name as I read it |
|
| Jeresmel, Vaset |
22 |
23 |
Jerasinovic, Jovan |
|
| Geroseviej, Spurd |
17 |
24 |
Jerasinci, Nasr |
|
| Rade, Iolls |
20 |
4 |
Juric, Rade |
|
| Gortis, Adam |
19 |
9 |
Berekzewski,
Stefan |
|
| Medelkevics,
Pelkvio |
17 |
13 |
Lalka, Mativey |
|
| Taschko, Vasi |
37 |
15 |
Stefcic, Joso |
|
| Stalcio, Jwan |
20 |
16 |
Mikulic, Ivan |
|
| Vujanovic, Stefan |
20 |
17 |
Leic, Ivan |
|
| Milos, Nordzjar
S. |
24 |
4 |
Petcovitch,
Nedelco |
|
| Schissne, Jonatz |
20 |
10 |
Viyanovic, Dragic |
|
| Jandra, Mikulic |
30 |
11 |
Eviar, Milos |
|
| Vereczewsky, Jaso |
21 |
14 |
Stokys, Adam |
|
| Dragic, Erar |
33 |
4 |
Szyslo, Ignati |
|
| |
17 |
9 |
Vangueu, Vasil |
|
A list of the names of the
Volturno passengers rescued by
the Grosser Kurfürst appeared in the New York Times on Oct. 14, 1913. 82
names. Also included, was a list of
23
Volturno crew members similarly rescued.
No ages are available & the spelling of the names & ranks may be less that perfect. But I
will use that data until I have
more definitive data perhaps from another source. So here is that crew list from the
New York Times. So far as I can see, until I locate new manifest pages if they
exist, only three of the names were manifested.
| Name in New York Times
list |
Rank |
|
| Lloyd, Edward |
2nd officer |
|
| Duesselmann,
Walter |
3rd officer |
|
| Pintsch, Alfred |
3rd engineer |
|
| Sodorstroem,
Viktor |
boatman |
|
| Kalwing, August |
carpenter |
|
| Funken, Frank |
storekeeper |
|
| Reisewitz, Robert
(manifested 456) |
steamcook |
|
| Williges, Jacobus |
barber |
|
| Dunexter |
waiter |
|
| Jacobus, Jan |
waiter |
|
| Heberle,
Friedrich |
galleryman |
|
| Fischer,
Maximilian |
galleryman |
|
| Kwasnewski,
Wladislaus (manifested 452
- 1) |
steward |
|
| Ohlsen, Sigurd |
sailor |
|
| Jungquirt, Albert |
sailor |
|
| Pershon,
Ferdinand |
stoker |
|
| Graun, Alfred |
stoker |
|
| Lebrecht, Paul
(possibly Klusmeier, Paul as manifested 452 -3) |
stoker |
|
| Rudoll, Sam |
stoker |
|
| Burns, John
(manifested 452
- 4) |
stoker |
|
| Redbi, Meikel |
stoker |
|
| Madamusme, Ahmed |
trimmer |
|
| Silc, Adam |
stoker |
|
If any visitor can clarify
(or correct) or provide more information about any of these
matters, I would truly welcome
their help.
A GROUP OF VOLTURNO PASSENGERS, RESCUED & ABOARD THE GROSSER KURFÜRST
In Mar. 2008, a collection of press images were offered for
sale on e-Bay. From the files of the 'San Francisco Examiner". Were they
published by that newspaper in 1913? I do not know the answer to that question.
It is not impossible, however, that they were published in 1913 & could
well have had some accompanying words that today might be of great interest.
Anyway, included in the
sale offerings was the following fine 1913 image of
a group of Volturno passengers on the deck of the
Grosser Kurfürst - which vessel had rescued them.
I should advise that I have not sought the approval of the e-Bay vendor, 'sfxarchive', for the use of the
following image. I do hope that its use on this
non-profit & informational site will be considered to be in order. It is only
fair to note, however, that the vendor's e-Bay store is available here,
& I invite you to drop by!
Let me also tell you that the press image had
the following words, (the italics are mine) recorded on its rear.
Safe at last. Survivors of the Volturno horror on the deck of the rescuing steamer Grosser Kurfuerst.
So here is the image. Adjusted in size to permit viewing
without scrolling, cleaned up & sharpened a little. Now it would be wonderful
to be able to identify even a single one of the persons in the image. But that
is impossible today, for the webmaster at least. There were, of course, 105
Volturno survivors rescued by
Grosser Kurfürst & of that number 85 (all men) were passengers (the rest were
Volturno crew). This image is then, with almost 30 people, about a
third of the passengers that the ship rescued. That fact will not likely make
identification a particularly easy task for anyone. But a family descendent
might just be able to recognise & identify a face. Let us hope that proves to
be so.
It has proved to be so, at least for one 'face' so far. Eric Czerwonka, in Apl. 2012, advised that his grandfather, Jan Surga, is
shown in the photograph below. He is in the third row of the men standing. He is not wearing a hat and has a thick handlebar moustache. Jan Surga died June 25, 1953 and was buried on Jun. 29, 1953 at Holy
Sepulchre cemetery, Burlington, Ontario, Canada. He is buried in section 2 west,
row 11, lot 12. If I understand Eric's words correctly, Jan is the person
immediately below this red arrow. 

THE FIRST PACIFIC COAST 'SHIP TO SHORE' AIR MAIL TRANSFER
I really can tell you nothing about the next item - a letter
dated Jun. 12, 1931 & the best image of a number of similar items that have sold on e-Bay
in 2004 (the right part of the image is a portion of the envelope rear). However it would
seem that the envelope, & particularly the orange stamped image at left, is self explanatory to a degree i.e. that the
S.S. City of Los Angeles (the name of the Grosser Kurfürst in the 1922/1932 period) has a claim to fame indeed!
I am puzzled as to how there can be so many similar items coming up for sale on e-Bay.
Were you to check at this moment there probably are two or three such items for
sale. The ship-to-shore transfer must, at the time, have either been a most
significant event or else the marketing types of 1931 had a field day. Maybe both!
Can anybody tell us
more?
Since that was written, an e-Bay item has provided a little more detail.
It would seem that on Jun. 12, 1931, the 'First Ship to Shore Service by Dirigible' took
place. Goodyear airship 'Volunteer' carried a considerable amount of mail on the
first Pacific coast ship to shore air mail transfer - from the City of Los
Angeles, located 50 miles out at sea, to the roof of the U.S. Post Office in San Pedro,
California. The wording is, however, a bit confusing. Was it the first ship to shore
transfer in history, or perhaps & instead, the first Pacific coast ship to shore transfer
in history? From the image on the envelope, one would have thought that the
City of Los Angeles would have been located in the Hawaiian Islands,
rather than just 50 miles off the California coast! Just maybe I have
misunderstood what I have read? I still need your help!

The above item is very pretty, don't you think. But here is what to me is an even better looking cover
of the same event, also ex e-Bay. It also had a similar stamp on the rear as above, as all of such items seem to bear.

The rear of both of the above envelopes was, I believe, blank except for the green stamp - maybe 'cachet' is
the correct word? But in Jun. 2006, a wonderful envelope was sold (for U.S. $24.99) via e-Bay and it had lots of signatures
& facsimile
signatures on its rear. I trust it is in order to use the listing image on this non-profit
& informational site.
You will find it to be most interesting. The vendor, whom
I sincerely thank, was 'cobbiestamps' whose e-Bay store is
here. Do drop by!
Now who are all the
envelope signatories, both facsimile & real in the image below? The facsimile signatories seem to be two in number:
F. I. Hamma, whom I believe was Fred I. (Irvin) Hamma, the Captain of the City of Los Angeles
(data now confirmed by Brian Schupp, Fred's grandson. Thank you Brian!) and Richard H. Robinson, the ship's purser. The signature vertically at left
seems to me to be a real signature, that of C. P. Wright, apparently the Postmaster at San
Pedro, California. The others, all perhaps real signatures, seem to be 'Bert? D. Chilson, Capt. J. F. Nicholson and David Heenan Jr.
Help me with those names if I have recorded them incorrectly. A document included with the listing referred to a 'captain of the
flight'. Maybe Capt. Nicholson? But would the 'captain of the flight' have been aboard the ship? But who are the others? If you
can help with data, do please be in contact.

Dianne McQuaid has been in touch (thanks so much Dianne!) to advise that
the name Bert D. Chilson is indeed correct. She advises that he is listed in
'Men of Hawaii : being a biographical reference library, complete and authentic,
of the men of note and substantial achievement in the Hawaiian Islands : volume
1 (Volume 2) page 8' by John William Siddall. Published in 1921 & earlier too,
in 1901 perhaps. Wherein Chilson is described
essentially as 'Born San Francisco,
Jan. 20, 1874; son of William D. and Lydia L. (Plaisted) Chilson; married Mabel
Putnam, at San Francisco, Dec. 30, 1899; one child. Genevieve Plaisted, died
Aug. 15, 1904. Grammar school and correspondence course education. With
Vickery's Art Store, San Francisco, 1887-97; followed by conducting art store of
his own for several years, and later went into architecture and building.
Arrived Hawaii, November, 1912, and was connected with photographic supply
trade, with headquarters in Honolulu. Went to Hilo in 1918, having acquired cane
land property there. Advertising mgr. Hilo Tribune, Hawaii. As a vocation has specialized in photography and natural
sciences. Member Lodge le Progres de 1'Oceanie, F. & A. M., Honolulu.
Republican'. No indication there of any association with a 'Ship to Shore'
flight in 1931 involving City of Los Angeles. But then there
couldn't be if the volume was indeed published in 1921. Dianne further
advises that Bert had no children - he was one of 10, all listed in the
'Descendants of Walsingham Chilson' by Sue Roe 2011. Dianne also advises that a 1918 'Draft Registration Card' signed by Bert. D. Chilson, is available
via familysearch.org - type in 'Bert D' and 'Chilson' into the search facility and you will find
the card bearing Bert's signature. Access to that site may prove to be difficult
so the document in question can be seen directly here.
THE FIRST PACIFIC COAST 'SHORE TO SHIP' AIR MAIL TRANSFER
And, while it is on my mind, two more and quite separate Jan. 2005 e-Bay items
may help a little - re events dated 4 1/2 months prior to the above.
It
would
seem that on Jan. 24, 1931, a Curtiss Wright Flying Service aircraft left the California coast with mail aboard to
meet the City of Los Angeles at sea - a shore to ship experimental air
drop - i.e. the reverse direction from that of the previous section. The aircraft dropped a
sack of mail to the deck of the ship with a life preserver attached. To be strictly accurate about it the
aircraft did not do that! It tried to do it & it missed! How do I know that?
An Apr. 2005 e-Bay item, now long gone,
included
two 1931 newspaper clippings part of which was an image of the ship with the aircraft above it
& a caption which
included these words: 'The mail bag missed the ship by twenty feet, but was
quickly retrieved.' But the sack was waterproof! The postal
cover, 'First Pacific coast experimental flight of air mail shore to ship', was signed by Hal
Sweet, said to be a famous air
ace & air show pilot, & by E. Cunningham who signed as the 'Dropper of the
Sack'. (The initial E. looked liked Eaw but I probably could not read it any
better than could the e-Bay vendor). Somehow, though the true meaning escapes me, the item was referred to as a 'Roessler' cover. AAMS
Trans-Oceanic section #1131. Rubber stamped
#648 on reverse. And facsimile signed on the reverse by F. I. Hamma, Captain of
the City of Los Angeles. The rear of the
envelope indicated 'Copyrighted by A. C. Roessler, of East Orange, New Jersey'. I
presume they were the manufacturer of the envelope?

And another e-Bay
item also with that
very same date i.e. Jan. 24, 1931,
offered a postal cover of the 'First Pacific coast experimental flight of air
mail shore to ship'. Also involving the City of Los Angeles. Signed
(or surely, in fact facsimile signed) by Earle Ovington,
pioneer air mail pilot &
also, on the rear, by F. I. Hamma the co-pilot.
It seems to me that they
cannot both be first, can they? And F. I. Hamma could not have been aboard
aircraft piloted by two different persons at the very same time, could he? Just
possibly he was not the co-pilot & maybe was a postal official. But I learned,
from an e-Bay item in March 2006, that F. (Fred) I. Hamma was, in fact, the Captain of
the City of Los Angeles. And Ovington, Lieut-Commander U.S.N.R., acted as a co-pilot
&
flight commander.
I learn that Earle Lewis Ovington (died 1936) was the very first U.S. air mail pilot. He took off on Sep. 23, 1911 in his 70 horsepower Bleriot Queen monoplane named the Dragonfly, from an air show at Garden City, Long Island, New York
'with a load of
640 letters and 1,280 postcards in a mail bag tucked between his legs - the first airplane carry of
United States mail authorized by postal authorities.' He flew to Mineola, just three or so miles away, where,
'as agreed,
he dropped the bag in a prearranged
spot to waiting postal officials. The drop landed on time and on target, but
unfortunately the bag broke on impact with the ground, scattering the mail
hither and yon. After a scramble, all the letters and cards were retrieved and
sent on their way via regular postal channels, all of them bearing the
cancellation 'AEROPLANE STATION No.1 - GARDEN CITY ESTATES, N.Y.' For this feat Ovington was awarded the title
'AIR MAIL PILOT No.1.' But another site says it
was 6 miles to Mineola & that during the course of the week-long air show he
carried a total of 32,415 postcards, 3,993 letters, & 1,062 circulars. A 1911 photo of him is
here.
I did hope to find a reference to the Pacific Coast flights in Time-Life Books
'Flying the Mail' in the 'Epics of Flight' series. No references however. But
there is a most interesting image of Ovington accepting the first sack of mail in Garden City
& one also of Dragonfly airborne there, which image can be seen on this
page,
along with another of him aboard Dragonfly. 'Flying the Mail' states that
there were 43,427 pieces of mail rather than 37,470 as above. All of this was
20 years before the Pacific Coast experimentation.
Now I am puzzled by the reference to Earle Ovington re
any
Jan. 24, 1931 flight. I have read in an e-Bay item that Ovington retired to Santa Barbara,
California. And flew the mail only once again after 1911, before his death in
1936. 'He and Frank Hitchcock joined in a 20th anniversary round-trip flight
between Los Angeles & Tucson, Arizona with the letters they carried bearing
the signatures of both men.' Did Ovington later live in Santa Barbara? It would seem so. Since I have seen on the screen via e-Bay an
envelope with Earle Ovington, Consulting Engineer of Santa Barbara printed upon it
& mailed Feb. 11, 1930. What was his involvement with the above Jan. 24, 1931 'shore to ship' flight? Probably nothing at all. A famous name, who provided his
facsimile signature for a fee is my guess. Am I wrong? If so,
please give me the facts
& I will record them here.
That quote in the previous paragraph is from an e-Bay item
in Sep. 2006. Most interesting. It quotes from an article in the Mar. 29, 1912 'Town Crier' of
Newton, Massachusetts, Ovington's birthplace it would seem, in which Ovington spoke at a local church of his 'thrilling experiences'. It also
provided some background about the Garden City flight of 1911. Frank Hitchcock was the Postmaster General at the time
of that 1911 flight, & was most
unhappy that the Bleriot Queen monoplane, being a single seater, could not accommodate him
& he was not therefore aboard that very first airmail flight.
But was it the aircraft made by Bleriot, a most famous French company. I think not. It
was, it would seem, an American aircraft & a copy of a Bleriot. No problem
with that however! As I said
above, am I wrong in that? Do tell me if I am. All
the above is most interesting, however.
But the subject of these pages is really Volturno & I have
digressed! There was more data in that listing which I have accordingly not
recorded here. It does continue to amaze me what data emerges in e-Bay listings!
Information on just about anything at all is 'out there' somewhere! And very
often e-Bay vendors do seem to have background data available & often share it
via their item descriptions.
OTHER RELATED IMAGES
And, until I find a better place to put it, a 1st Class
Grosser Kurfürst luggage label, 4" x 6" in size, & dating from the early 20th century. This was an e-Bay item
of long ago, so I
cannot tell you today what it sold for. But a similar item
sold
in early Sep. 2005, for U.S. $19.20.

May I suggest you navigate the pages via the site index on page
01.
PRIOR PAGE / NEXT PAGE
Other pages about the
Grosser Kurfürst are numbered 70, 71 & 73.
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